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So. :|a

I reacted, let us say, Not Well to the Zoro section of OP 597, and it's only been through much ranting to [livejournal.com profile] whiteadelphi and soul-searching and awesome conversation that I've been mostly reconciled to it. Not entirely! There remain issues, but at least I'm not making lineface every time I think about it, now. Instead of reiterating, I'm just going to link to the post WA made that contains basically our whole IM conversation on the topic.

To clarify before we even start, my problem wasn't at all to do with the plain fact that Zoro asked Mihawk to train him and humbled himself terribly in the process. In fact, that hardly comes up in our massive combined tl;dr AIM conversation, and I'm surprised that a lot of people seem to have issues with it. Not like he hasn't shown that he'll sacrifice his dream for Luffy at this point, after all. And yeah, it's painful and shaming and he had to throw away his pride to do it, and he doesn't care, he'll get on his hands and knees and press his forehead to the floor and hold there, bleeding all over Mihawk's carpet until the man agrees to train him, and then look so thrilled and happy when he finally does (>.> socute). I thought that was awesome, actually, it hammers in just how far he'll go—he won't just die to protect Luffy and his dream and the rest of his crew, he'll humiliate himself in front of his ultimate rival and live and get stronger in order to better support him, too.

...Which is the thought which sparks my ACTUAL problem. >_____> So here are the links.

These are the Original Problems With the Chapter.

And here's the conversation we had earlier today exploring Zoro's motives and why it went down the way it did. WA's previous post has the beginnings of some speculation too, in the comments.

There's some good stuff in the comments to that post by now, too, and...y'know, I thought I'd have more to say in addition/expansion, but I think I'll leave it at that for now. :|a

With regard to the rest of the chapter, I'm pretty sadface that the crew will be apart for two – freaking – years; I knew there'd be a timeskip coming up but I thought it'd be a lot shorter than that, and I'm still a little shakey on how Luffy came to decide this was the best way to do things given how much he wanted to see his nakama a few chapters ago and the fact that he doesn't even know where they are right now or if they're alright. (Perhaps Rayleigh told Luffy that Kuma told him they'd been sent to places that would make them stronger? But that doesn't make sense, I don't think Kuma managed to say all that to Rayleigh, IDEK.)

Also, they'll have been apart for longer than they've even known each other! ...Not that that will diminish the strength of their bonds in any fashion, of course, but still. There'll have to be a whole new getting-to-know-you-again part when they get back, which...okay, admittedly, could be interesting. >.> Not to mention WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK LIKE, OMG. I'm going to trust Oda on this, he'll probably win me over, but there's just no preventing a certain amount of saaaaadface at missing all of that time with them and them missing all of that time with each other.

I did love finally getting a really thorough explanation to Haki, at last—and wheeee, all the examples of it over the years getting tied together, so genius, Oda. I loved all of it, and oh man Luffy is going to be powered up so epically with two years training in it! 8DD

...And I think I'm not alone in suspecting that Zoro has been picking up the edges of some haki techniques as he goes along, too (sensing T-Bone on the train tracks before he was in sight, split-second knowledge of where his opponents will strike, manifesting his spirit externally with Ashura, among other examples). And he's going to need to learn to cut logia, anyway, and the rest of the crew will probably be learning some of this stuff, too, given that they're the Pirate King's crew and Must Be Epic (like Rayleigh! :D)

...And that's all for tonight, folks. >.>

Edit: Now with links actually added, derp.

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Date: 2010-08-27 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pi90katana.livejournal.com
Also, they'll have been apart for longer than they've even known each other!

I'm not going to lie - even though I've been firmly in the 'yay timeskip!' boat, even when I was expecting a shorter time period, I did kind of sadface at that. Mostly because roleplaying makes me immediately look at this from my character's perspective and dammit, at most Brook can only have been sailing with them for a month. Anything is a vast improvement from being stuck on the Ghost Ship, but he already spent fifty years without nakama. Aaaand this also means another two years until he gets to see Laboon on top of how long it takes to sail back to Reverse Mountain. So yeah. As excited I am, I still go ): a little.

...And I think I'm not alone in suspecting that Zoro has been picking up the edges of some haki techniques as he goes along, too.

/raises hand 8D

Besides the instances you mentioned, I think Shabondy was the clearest example for me. Those slavers looked like they'd been slapped in the face for a second there - even the ones who didn't have a clear look at his expression.

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Date: 2010-08-27 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zhadra-ahni.livejournal.com
...Oh maaaaan, you're so right. *___* Poor Brook, oh my god, he's definitely got it the toughest out of all of them in that respect. A month, jeez, that's probably even a pretty generous estimate, isn't it, given how injured Zoro still was by the time they got to Sabaody.

|D Derp, I can't believe I forgot to mention that one, you brought it up just the other day. And yeah, that is a preeeetty awesome example—I need to watch it again, actually, and maybe compare the slavers' reactions to the reactions of other people we definitely know have been Smacked with haki. :)a

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